Intense discussions have emerged among North Dakota lawmakers and leaders within the North Dakota University System regarding the effects of online education on public campuses. In a recent episode of the podcast *Plain Talk*, Commissioner Brent Sanford expressed his concerns about the growing toxicity of this debate.
Sanford, who has adopted the title of “commissioner” as mandated by state law, acknowledged the apprehensions voiced by some legislators. He emphasized, however, that the influx of online students contributes positively to the state’s educational landscape. While some students may never physically attend classes in North Dakota, Sanford argues that the overall benefits to the state are significant.
He pointed out that these online learners can enhance the state’s workforce. “What needs to happen,” Sanford stated, “is for the various campuses to better illustrate for lawmakers who we’re talking about.” He urged university presidents to present concrete examples of how online education is adding value.
One example he provided was Bismarck State College, which offers an online bachelor’s degree in energy management. This program allows students already employed as electrical linemen to complete their degrees online, potentially qualifying them for advanced roles such as grid operators. Similarly, students pursuing agricultural studies can remain on family farms while completing their education, allowing them to contribute to crucial activities like planting and harvesting.
Beyond the online education debate, Sanford also touched on the ongoing efforts to fill four presidential vacancies within various institutions, including the recent departure of David Cook, the former president of North Dakota State University.
In addition to the academic discussions, co-host Chad Oban and Sanford examined the ongoing controversy surrounding the state’s Ethics Commission, adding another layer to the complexities facing North Dakota’s higher education landscape.
Listeners interested in joining the conversation can easily participate by calling or texting 701-587-3141, leaving their name and message for potential feature in a future episode. Those wishing to subscribe to *Plain Talk* can find it on various podcast platforms, including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube.
As the dialogue around online education continues, the focus remains on ensuring that all stakeholders understand the potential benefits of these programs for North Dakota’s educational and economic future.






































